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Post by jaz on Apr 16, 2004 9:43:25 GMT -5
Corkman, I am glad that I could provide a little insight on Canada's hardship...
and Yep, our big "brother" counterpart think Canada is a joke, they basically don't value our country. They don't have a problem to try to steal our valued resources such as water, trees, land, etc... without so much as a thank you. And they do this through the free trade agreement. They give our farmers a rough time, all the time by preventing them from delivering their goods or imposing new border laws.... Argh!  It just goes on and on...hopping when I think about it. Jaz
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Post by CorkMan on Apr 16, 2004 21:26:28 GMT -5
aaaaaahhhhhhhhh See thats what gets me so f'n angry F'N CAPITALISM I Do Not Like the yanks for that, they take advantage of the working class people and bleed them dry of money and they find it hard to make a real living  Why can't we all just get along, without capitalism. Sorry If I got a little angry there but aaaaahhhhhhh |
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Post by jaz on Apr 17, 2004 12:32:13 GMT -5
Can't say that I blame you. When I see what's going on, it makes me upset as well but the "people" choose their government. They think that they are making a proper choice but really they just choose one leader over another - who has the best qualities and may not lie as much! lol.  |
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Post by CorkMan on Apr 18, 2004 5:53:15 GMT -5
And the really bad thing is that the 'elite' wanna keep making money at the expense of good hard working people so they won't abandon their stupid capitalist leaders, But I wanna know how can capitalism even be legal? but as soon as the Yanks took Iraq they said 'this is gonna be a democracy' but there is no such thing as democracy it is in alot of ways similar to a dictarship, but yes capitalism is getting forced into the world and people are being brainwashed against the only thing where people get treated fairly COMMUNISM, but cause of the bastard Stalin it is now all corrupt . Those capitalist swines make me sick. |
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Post by jaz on Apr 19, 2004 10:16:29 GMT -5
And the really bad thing is that the 'elite' wanna keep making money at the expense of good hard working people so they won't abandon their stupid capitalist leaders, But I wanna know how can capitalism even be legal? but as soon as the Yanks took Iraq they said 'this is gonna be a democracy' but there is no such thing as democracy it is in alot of ways similar to a dictarship, but yes capitalism is getting forced into the world and people are being brainwashed against the only thing where people get treated fairly COMMUNISM, but cause of the bastard Stalin it is now all corrupt . Those capitalist swines make me sick. The problem with the americans is that they think that they are doing a good deed when in fact they are upsetting the balance even worse. Capitalism is all about getting rich...As far as COMMUNISM goes, I will disagree with you on that...as that type of government really stinks - take China for example: many years ago, the government ordered to have the second child of families killed because of over-population, people had to hide or go into hidding,, second pregnancies were ushed into silence to avoid having your child killed...not good  - is that the kind of government you want?  That reason and many more is why there are so many revolutions in that country alone...all for communism... I think that no form of government is good because right now it's more than ever all about POWER. It's always one over the other (nations that is), who has the biggest guns or nuclear weapons, etc... I think that if people really wanted to live peacefully - they would, many couples do it in private - why can't the world get along? Because of different religion beliefs, the world is against each other, and that is sad to watch...  |
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Post by CorkMan on Apr 20, 2004 3:57:08 GMT -5
The problem with the americans is that they think that they are doing a good deed when in fact they are upsetting the balance even worse. Capitalism is all about getting rich...As far as COMMUNISM goes, I will disagree with you on that...as that type of government really stinks - take China for example: many years ago, the government ordered to have the second child of families killed because of over-population, people had to hide or go into hidding,, second pregnancies were ushed into silence to avoid having your child killed...not good - is that the kind of government you want? That reason and many more is why there are so many revolutions in that country alone...all for communism... I think that no form of government is good because right now it's more than ever all about POWER. It's always one over the other (nations that is), who has the biggest guns or nuclear weapons, etc... I think that if people really wanted to live peacefully - they would, many couples do it in private - why can't the world get along? Because of different religion beliefs, the world is against each other, and that is sad to watch... Ok I will agree with you that China is shit  , but yes their grade of communism doesn't work and now im drifting towards being more of a socialist  , but with all the corruption and capitalism in the world, communism doesn't stand a chance to work effectively, because some leaders are insane. The best thing would be for globalisation, because at the moment these 'free trade agreements' are killing nations, and well people don't get any say in what is happening to their money And then there would be no 'rich' nations that just steal from other nations, the currency should be the same and the economy would be equal for everybody so all countrys are as good as others. |
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Post by Mutteruk on Apr 20, 2004 7:47:30 GMT -5
heres my political input!!!
TONY BLAIR IT A *$£%&"! and a !^(*^$%^%$$^&I%$£^^%££%6
and also UK to keep the £ cos the euro is shite!!
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Post by jaz on Apr 20, 2004 9:58:37 GMT -5
Ok I will agree with you that China is shit , but yes their grade of communism doesn't work and now im drifting towards being more of a socialist , but with all the corruption and capitalism in the world, communism doesn't stand a chance to work effectively, because some leaders are insane. The best thing would be for globalisation, because at the moment these 'free trade agreements' are killing nations, and well people don't get any say in what is happening to their money And then there would be no 'rich' nations that just steal from other nations, the currency should be the same and the economy would be equal for everybody so all countrys are as good as others. I agree, most leaders are insane! ;D As far as nations stealing from each other, that has always been the case and always will be because of greed. You are so right about these free trade agreements, they don't benefit the "working class" the way they should. It's ashame to see that the governments can say yeah or nay on what goes trhough the borders - it's actually not that they won't allow the "goods" to go through, it's that they make the exchange/tax impossible to pay up, so what happens, your shipment stays on your side on the country, therefore leaving the poor getting poorer. Before we can have globalisation, we all need to get along, again this comes down to religious and personal beliefs, and differents sets of values. The world is very messed up... |
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Post by jaz on Apr 20, 2004 10:02:18 GMT -5
heres my political input!!! TONY BLAIR IT A *$£%&"! and a !^(*^$%^%$$^&I%$£^^%££%6 and also UK to keep the £ cos the euro is shite!! I take it that you don't like Tony Blair Mutteruk? LOL ;D ;D ;D, I have been reading about your leader...another one who is a little shall we say nuts! |
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Post by CorkMan on Apr 21, 2004 1:17:00 GMT -5
Well TJ just mentioned West/East Berlin, well when they pulled the wall down the communism side (East or West?) something like 300,000 people lost their jobs because the big business's crushed them , see again my hatred of capitalism. For globalisation, I have the perfect solution, ban all religions , lol. But This world does have to start getting along and some countrys have just turned upside down, like England they use to have America kissing their arse and now its the other way round . At the moment there is NO country that has a working system. |
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Post by jaz on Apr 21, 2004 9:54:03 GMT -5
Another way to learn about any type of government is to take a sociology classes - it will be informative as heck. |
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Post by jaz on Apr 21, 2004 13:34:20 GMT -5
Well TJ just mentioned West/East Berlin, well when they pulled the wall down the communism side (East or West?) something like 300,000 people lost their jobs because the big business's crushed them , see again my hatred of capitalism. For globalisation, I have the perfect solution, ban all religions , lol. But This world does have to start getting along and some countrys have just turned upside down, like England they use to have America kissing their arse and now its the other way round . At the moment there is NO country that has a working system. Corkman, 300,000 people losing their jobs is not that bad considering they could have lost their lives... I have a friend who's parents are German and they know all about that type of communism...they were raised there and when they got the chance, they moved here to Canada...need I say more?!  |
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Post by CorkMan on Apr 22, 2004 1:37:55 GMT -5
My point is mainly about the capitalism side of it, since I Do Not Like it so much But I have to ask you this question, what would be your ideal government style? ;D |
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Post by jaz on Apr 22, 2004 10:37:14 GMT -5
My point is mainly about the capitalism side of it, since I Do Not Like it so much But I have to ask you this question, what would be your ideal government style? ;D To tell you the truth, I have seen with my own eyes and through the media so much horror when it comes to any type of government that I would have a hard time actually choosing a specific one - I am more of a liberalist than anything else, so I would probably choose a type of a democratic, however, I would not choose the US type of democratie...I would seriously have to think what kind of government I really want. Good question! ;D |
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Post by CorkMan on Apr 23, 2004 7:34:52 GMT -5
hmmmm interesting  Im more of an liberialist authortarian type guy but not as extreme as Saddam well nothing like his authortarian type government because dictarships just don't work they remind me to much of bloody America . Mine would have to be, something where the people choose what to spend their tax dollars on: transporation, education, health etc. Big business would be illegal therefore all the working class people would have a fair chance to make a fair living, The 'Elite' would have no extra privelages. I would seriously think about having protesters shot, or put in jail. For the government, Well the people would of course select them, but there would be a union, like a senate to see if the eleties are worthy enough (one problem, who will be the union?) and MAJOR bills would be voted on by the people, of course voting is compulsary. Yeah of course Capitalism will be illegal, Only a certain number of refugees will be allowed into the country and will recieve no extra treatment. The 'doll' will be available for 2 weeks at a time, so everybody has to try and get a job, clinics for the homeless would be set up such as food shelters and education nights to help them get back on track. And thats about my government, oh and one extra thing, anybody who disagrees with me WILL BE SHOT lol And there will be instant death penalty for major crimes |
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Post by jaz on Apr 23, 2004 11:33:10 GMT -5
hmmmm interesting Im more of an liberialist authortarian type guy but not as extreme as Saddam well nothing like his authortarian type government because dictarships just don't work they remind me to much of bloody America . Mine would have to be, something where the people choose what to spend their tax dollars on: transporation, education, health etc. Big business would be illegal therefore all the working class people would have a fair chance to make a fair living, The 'Elite' would have no extra privelages. I would seriously think about having protesters shot, or put in jail. For the government, Well the people would of course select them, but there would be a union, like a senate to see if the eleties are worthy enough (one problem, who will be the union?) and MAJOR bills would be voted on by the people, of course voting is compulsary. Yeah of course Capitalism will be illegal, Only a certain number of refugees will be allowed into the country and will recieve no extra treatment. The 'doll' will be available for 2 weeks at a time, so everybody has to try and get a job, clinics for the homeless would be set up such as food shelters and education nights to help them get back on track. And thats about my government, oh and one extra thing, anybody who disagrees with me WILL BE SHOT lol And there will be instant death penalty for major crimes And you said: " ....I would seriously think about having protesters shot, or put in jail ....[hic]... And thats about my government, oh and one extra thing, anybody who disagrees with me WILL BE SHOT lol " Nothing about dictatorship on that phrase! LOL Your kind of government may work except for one thing...someone or something has to own the businesses, even the small ones...therefore capitalism would still be there...whether we like or not. Even if the government owned them - there would still be capitalism because of greed. Then you would get a country the old Russia... And you said : "The 'doll' will be available for 2 weeks at a time, so everybody has to try and get a job...", I would ensure that they have a job prior coming to the country, therefore, they would not be entitled to the welfare systems, and as far as Canada goes, they would have to know one of the two official languages, either french or english, no if and buts about it. The other thing, I would make sure that there families would have to go through the same guidelines, therefore, minority would be no more. |
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Post by jaz on Apr 23, 2004 11:38:21 GMT -5
Don't have time to say more than this today BUT
The Death Penalty is American ! Here you kill someone or even ppl you ONLY get maximum 25yrs ! I'm for it & then again not depending on the situation/circumstances. I'll post more later I completely agree with TJ on that one, death penalty...is American...and I personnaly think that it's really not up to the human race to decide who lives and who dies, no matter what the crime... We are all judged in the end anyway... my way..would be to subdivide the jails...whatever crime you commit, you get to go with that type of crowd, not like it is now...drug pushers with rapists...enough said about that... |
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Post by CorkMan on Apr 23, 2004 19:34:04 GMT -5
Yes well, about the capitalism thing, its true it is impossible to get rid of it, but the main thing is the big business's pushing the little ones out, so thats what I would be stamping out.
As for protesters, they give me the shits, protesting about nothing most of the time, it really ticks me off.
As for the death penalty, I still stand with my opinion, you murder somebody and you get the death sentence, man slaughter would be not as harsh depending on the degree.
I think it would be better mentally for somebody to have the death penalty then sit in a cell for the rest of their life chewing up government taxes and probably having a mental breakdown
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